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FORMER COMMENT OF WEBMASTER: Hinduism, to my grasp, also infers that what happens to you happens for a reason: karma. Actions beget reactions. What you do in this life impacts what happens to you the next time around. Again, this has profound implications to Jewish identity, in the collective sense. And Jewry's rather morbid convictions about its history of alleged innocense. JODY: No it doesn't. In the Hindu and Buddhist systems, rebirth isn't limited to a particular race or group. Is your anger about what I've said about Jews now dominating your moral sense and intellect? Is there a tap root there that won't let go? Who said anything about "race?" Perhaps I'm using the term karma a little loosely, but I think it's legitimate. I'm stating that Jewish identity proclaims categorical innocence for the misfortunes (both real and imagined) that have befallen them through history. Others are ALWAYS to blame. Who said anything about "race?" I'm saying Jews (Are they a "race?" A tribe? An ideology? A religion? A nation? You pick) have always failed to own up to their own honest history, and their karma follows them, no matter what they think about themselves. JODY: The idea of racial karma - for example, that Jews killed in the Holocaust were paying for things that they had done *as Jews* before - has no basis whatsoever in Hinduism or Buddhism. You misunderstand my point. Or you evade it. My point is that to understand the Holocaust, one must examine Jewish ideology, Jewish identity, Jewish history, and Jewish power as well as one must examine the "anti-Semitic" nemesis. Again, who said anything about "race?" That's your introduction. Do you believe Jews are a "race?" (I know most Jews believe that is so.) I'm saying that if, historically, collective Jewish identity manifests itself as racist, xenophobic, ethnocentric, and exploitive of those around them (which IS Jewish history), INDIVIDUALS ARE A PART OF THAT and "what goes around comes around." That's karma. If Jews gathered in some corner think the goyim are scum, what will the scum think of the Jews? If your community is "racist," you can expect "racism" in return. In the greatest sense, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. Sooner or later. To me, that's the essence of karma. It's a loop. Communities have karma, no less than individuals. Why not? Especially when, traditionally, the individuals that constitute these groups build their entire lives upon communal convention. The "Holocaust" was a consequence of Jewish collective history: belief and actions. Of course. Cause and effect. And of course to say this is, in Jewish circles, absolute heresy. Distinct social, political, and economic factors led to mass movements against Jewish exclusionism, disproportionate influence, and exploitation. If you reject this statement without studying the facts, then you are a prime example of the problem at hand: "Jewish" denial that takes refuge in myth. Sorry. If Jewish identity has always identified the goyim as the lesser "other" (as it has), you can damn well expect an echo from their goyim neighbors, back in the same manner. Why would this not be so? And if people were pounded into the ground by Jews -- economically and otherwise, why not expect that the Jewish turn would come too? If you strike me repeatedly, sooner or later I will strike back. JODY: But if you're going to persist in a groundless, "get-what-you-deserve" belief in a racial karma, do you apply it across the board - to Palestinians and Tibetans as well as Jews? to everyone who is suffering? I truly don't understand how such a basically decent and thoughtful person could come out with such a half-baked crock of sh*t. My, my! I've touched a nerve. You bring forward the term "racial karma." Not I. I call Jewry an ideology of, say, tribal supremacy and exclusionism. If a Jew functions in life from an iron platform of tightly "being Jewish" (as is most of Jewish history), why would karma not likewise entail the communal spine of this collective Jewish character? Again. Traditional Jewish identity = self-proclaimed "Chosen People," Talmudic dual moral values for Jews and non-Jews, belief in a vengeful God, self-proclaimed "nation apart" from all other people, etc., etc., etc. I leave you with this to think about: Here's what Jewish author Roger Kamenetz (in his book about "Jewish
Buddhists") had to say about his discomfort as a Jew when the Jewish
beliefs he had been taught about the Holocaust were challenged by the
Buddhist world view, that humans must take responsibility for the their
actions that effect their fate:
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