Dear JTR, What I was saying was that Jewe were not part of the white American power elite BEFORE the 1950's, but they certainly were after.

Would you not consider, for example, Harvard to be a very traditional foundation of the "white power elite?" The Jewish contingent of the 1922 (That's One Nine Two Two) Harvard student body was already 20%. [FEINGOLD, p. 95] That's somewhere in the neighborhood of a 1,000% overrepresentation. [Note: the bibliography for my citations is here.] I'd say Jews were part of the "white power elite," even back then. And it's only skyrocketed since then.

There is much evidence to support this theory. For one, most Jewish immigrants living in America lived in poverty prior to the 1950's.

Your evidence for this assertion? I'm sorry, but you are locked into widely held Jewish myth.

As early as the mid-twentieth century, American Jewry was already largely stratified out of the traditional "working class." In a survey of 14 American cities between 1948-53, proportions of Jews in "non-manual positions (i.e., proprietors, managers, administrators, officials, clerks, salespeople, etc.) ranged from 75 to 96% of the Jewish working population." [SKLARE, p. 138] "The distinction between manual and non-manual work," wrote Nathan Glazer in 1958, in reviewing the survey, "is today considered a crucial one for determining the social status of individuals and groups ... [GLAZER, MIDDLE, p. 139]  ... The rise in the proportion of professionals has been accompanied by a fall in the number of Jews engaged in the lower-levels of white-collar work -- as clerks and salesmen ... The rapid decline in the numbers of Jewish secretaries and salesmen in recent years is a phenomenon apparent to the naked eye; the available figures support this impression ... [GLAZER, p. 139] ... What has happened ... is that the Jewish economic advantages, already perfectly obvious in the thirties ... has borne fruit in the fifteen years of prosperity since 1940." [SKLARE, p. 139]  (By 1970, one-third of one percent of American Jews were involved in manual labor occupations. [HALBERSTAM, p. 27])

 Glazer found the 1953 research intriguing for other reasons too. No matter what field of economic endeavor Jews chose, and no matter where they chose it in America, Jews earned more money than non-Jews, even those in the same locale, with the same education, and the same occupation. To explain this endemic disparity, Glazer notes that

"Ultimately, social explanations must resort to history, and explain a present peculiarity by discovering an earlier one. We think the explanation for Jewish success in Americ is that Jews, far more than any other immigrant groups, were engaged for generations in the middle-class occupations, the professions, and buying and selling." [SKLARE, p. 142]

 
Governmental anti-communist actions also targetted the Jewish community, most famously the Palmer raids and even McCarthyism to an extent.

Yes. This is because Jews dominated the communist movement. So, which do you think was the bottom line here, the fact that the Capitalist Government didn't like communists, or didn't like Jews?

There was also no check on "anti-semitism" in the media like there is today; Henry Ford published "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" freely in his newspapers.

So you support censorship of anyone like Ford who criticizes Jewish power and influence? Why is publication of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" much worse than that which is so "freely" published in our (Judeocentric) mass media today about Islam's alleged attempt to destroy the West? There are many Jewish "neo-cons" in power today who are arguing that the U.S. military destroy Syria, Iran, and even Saudi Arabia towards bending those parts of the world to Israeli-American interest.

Lastly, Jews weren't even considered to be "white", as evidenced by open discrimination in jobs, housing, and especially in government immigration policy.

Do Jews "discriminate?" Did Jews "discriminate" then? Do Jews "discriminate" now? How come your perspective is so one-sided? If we say that WASP culture "discriminated," why isn't part of the package to admit that Jews "discriminated" too? If "whites" were so monolithically "discriminatory," how come a fifth of the Harvard student body was Jewish in 1922?

And if government immigration policy was so "discriminatory," how come 2 million Jews immigrated to America at the turn of the 20th century with everyone else?

After WWII, however, European Jews were assimilated into the white race and their power elite became part of the white power elite.

Not exactly. The Jewish power elite blended in with the white power elite, true, from a superficial overview. But Jewish power and identity is extraordinarily ethnocentric. "Is it good for the Jews?" You know this old adage that fuels the Jewish collective.

Therefore, I think it's more important to examine white power than it is to examine Jewish power specifically, which is just a componant of it.

"White power" America has been consistent in the last few decades in submitting to the destruction of its implicit ethocentrism -- racial or otherwise. Look at the differences between now and, say, 75 years ago. Look at the Jewish community. They are everywhere in positions of enormous power. Look at all the laws about affirmative action, "anti-hate" legislation, and on and on. That's a manifestation of "White power?"

Meanwhile, the extremely influential Jewish community HAS NOT functioned in this self-destroying manner. All you need to do is take a cursory look at racist, apartheid Israel, which is probably THE pillar of modern Jewish ethnocentric identity.

In America, the Jewish community has actively assailed WASP ethnocentrism and has largely destroyed it. (Is the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations, etc. a factor of ANY significance in American life? No. Conversely, is racist, apartheid Zionism a factor of ANY significance of American life? Sir, Zionism and Judeocentrism in American life is EVERYWHERE.)

Like I said earlier, American policy is not based solely off of Zionist interests.

No, but per the Middle East especially, it is central.

And when you look at power dynamics globally, you see that the only world power that has a significant Jewish prescence/influence is America.

Not true. Jews are economic elites in most of the countries where they reside in any significant number -- France, Great Britain, Brazil, Peru, etc. We document all this at length at this web site, and if you want to challenge something specifically, I'll post a rebuttal with documentation.

With the exception of Japan, all of the G8 powers are white, and have significant power over non-white countries.

Sorry, your notion that Jews are NOT part of this power equation is false. Jews are everywhere empowered in Europe. Please define exactly what you think the "G8" powers are. Try this, for starters, just to whet your appetite:

In late 1998 the Jewish Week noted that Jewish billionaire George Soros is "often accused of masterminding some world conspiracy ... if the[economic] global crisis keeps spreading -- as most experts expect -- you won't hear much more talk about blaming Soros and his Jewish cronies. Anger will probably focus increasingly on the leaders of the [International Monetary Fund] and the Washington policy makers who stand behind it. The bad news is that most of them are Jewish too. Israel's daily Yediot Achronot recently published an unintentionally chilling list of senior economic policymakers known to be attending Kol Nidre services in Washington on the eve of the IMF summit. Among them: Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and his top deputy Lawrence Summers [who later succeeded Rubin as Treasury Secretary], World Bank Chairman James Wolfenson and his top deputy, Josef Stieglitz; Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, and IMF Director Stanley Fischer. That's scary. And it's only a partial list." [GOLDBERG, JJ, The Sixth, p. 12]

The end of this chapter on government has a lot of citations about Jews with enormous governmental power in European (and other) countries. And, for the most part, what is an important drive of these Jews in power? Taking care of Israel and Jewish convention about the Holocaust.

On a historical level too, it was whites who were primarily responsible for colonialism and imperialism.

Perhaps the most powerful imperialist of all was the prime minister of Great Britain in the late 19th century. He was Jewish: Benjamin Disraeli. Although he is considered to be an "assimilated " Jew, I suggest you read his racist and supremacist convictions about Jewishness. (Some of his comments we post at this web site. Jewish scholar Hannah Arendt noted that some of the things Disraeli said probably fueled Hitler.)

How about Sam "the Banana Man" Zemurray? Every hear of him? Probably not. He was a Bessarabian Jewish immigrant to Honduras. He founded and controlled the United Fruit company (later named United Brands). Scholars Lester Langley and Thomas Schoonover call him "the man who would run America's mot powerful and far-flung transnational company for the next twenty-five years." [LANGLEY/SCHOONOVER, p. 171]

"As a foreign corporation of conspicuous size," notes the New Encyclopedia Brittanica, "United Fruit sometimes became the target of popular attacks. The Latin-American press often referred to it as el pulpo ("the octopus") in the first decades of the twentieth century." [NEW ENCY BRITT, 1993, 12, p. 140]

How about Oppenheimer and his De Beers diamond monopoly, and all those black South Africans crawling into mines for peanuts? How about the Jewish father of the founder of Mother Jones magazine, who ran an oppressive world mining conglommerate to the great chagrin of his leftist son.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Bear in mind: Jews are a MINISCULE portion of the world's population, yet here they are with their hands in so many colonialist/imperialist stews.

And all this isn't part of popular Jewish history. I wonder why? Better to highlight the guy who found the polio vaccine, no?

White power even plays itself out within the Jewish community, as not all Jews are white. Israel's government is mostly run by Ashkenazi Jews, and the countries Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews face discrimination. Sorry I don't have time to go more into it and provide more examples/evidence, but do you acknowledge the historical and current day significance of white power?

I know all about Ashkenazi (Jews from Europe) racism. Now please look at your argument here carefully in the mirror. How the Hell do you manage to blame "whites" for Ashkenazi racism? Those people are JEWS. They have brains. They think for themselves. And if they think they're better than Jews from the Middle East and Africa, why do you think you can blame Europeans for WHAT JEWS THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES? Think about this please, because your position here is an integral part of Jewish convention: chronic displacement and self-denial.

YOU ARE REFUSING RESPONSIBILITY FOR EXPRESSLY JEWISH RACISM AND DISPLACING IT UPON SOMEONE OTHER THAN JEWS. The Ashkenazim are not wearing electrodes implanted in them by racist "whites."

If your argument is that the Ashkenazi Jews were somehow brainwashed into elitism by their European milieu, then your essential argument is THAT NO ONE IS EVER RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN BELIEFS AND ACTIONS.

Where is the Jew who is willing to take responsibility for what his OWN community has taught him? And face it squarely.

I know your expertise lies in Jewish power, but I feel the two are inseperably interconnected.

Of which "two" do you speak? I state that Jewish power and JEWISH racism are interconnected.

Lastly, I am well aware that my anti-Zionist views are of the vast minority within the Jewish community. Statistics do show that the majority of American Jews support Israel. This is not to suggest however that the majority of American Jews are hardcore Zionists however; if they were, they'd be living in Israel, not the "diaspora".

Most Jews ARE NOT card-carrying Zionists. But Jews in the "diaspora" overwhelmingly support apartheid Israel. I think this is mainly from raw emotional currents about "being a Jew," and the alleged world threat of "anti-Semitism," and not necessarily an expressed politic. It's the same way in which many African-Americans support Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam while rejecting the Nation of Islam's expressly religious tenets: for example, Elijah Muhammad's strange "Mother Plane" idea and so forth.

Most of their support of Israel stems from brainwashing from the likes of AIPAC, WZO, etc who spread lies and myths about everything from Israel's founding to it's modern day atrocities, and associate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

There is "brainwashing," I think, yes.

This brainwashing is indeed unfortunate, but not irreversable.

I think what's at stake is a moral attack on the very premises of what modern Jewry thinks of itself. It is a COLOSSAL struggle. The first task is to get Jewry to take responsibility for its historical beliefs and deeds. Even YOU don't seem to be willing to do that.

Before Israel's founding, Zionism was not at all popular in mainstream Jewry, and look what's happened since then. As Sharon's regime gets more brutal, more Jews will start questioning Zionism. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, I hope not. And while I do disagree with some of your analysis of Jewish power, I do think it's something Jews should be examining as well. Sincerely, Adam

OK. Thanks for your opinions.